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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 14, 2009 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: HHTFool meets TStation...?

Bizarrely, came across this review of Bob's HHTF album of 78, and it seems spot on, but what really got my attn was the comment about production connections to the DEAD's TStation album, per our discussions the other day...this in no way is intended to generate discussion of a melodramatic, or otherwise, nature:

"Issued half a decade after his first solo LP, Ace (1972), Heaven Help the Fool is the antithesis of Grateful Dead guitarist Bob Weir's debut effort. Although initially dismissed by critics and Deadheads alike as a slick, soulless, L.A.-sounding disc, the passage of time has somewhat mitigated that assessment — but not by very much. One of the primary factors in the decidedly over-produced and at times uncomfortable-sounding approach can be directly attributed to the absence of his Grateful Dead bandmates. This is in direct contrast to Ace — which was, in reality, a full-blown Dead album in disguise. Another common thread is producer Keith Olson. As he had done with the Dead's Terrapin Station (1977) long-player the previous year, Olsen obscures some uniformly interesting melodies with disco-laden arrangements, the most blatant offenders being "Wrong Way Feelin'" and a reworking of Marvin Gaye's "I'll Be Doggone." They're abused with synthesizer-drenched rhythms and disposable, generic backing vocals. Even the array of studio talent — which includes Waddy Wachtel (guitar), David Foster (keyboards), fellow Bay Area Sons of Champlin-founder Bill Champlin (keyboards), Mike Porcaro (bass), Tom Scott (woodwinds), and former Elton John bandmembers Nigel Olsson (drums) and Dee Murray (bass) — is unable to salvage a majority of the material on Heaven Help the Fool. However, it is Weir's uniformly strong original compositions — penned with longtime lyrical collaborator John Barlow — and well-conceived choice of cover tunes which suffer the most. Those wishing to hear infinitely more tolerable interpretations of tracks such as "Bombs Away," "This Time Forever," "Shade of Grey," and Lowell George's "Easy to Slip" should seek out Weir/Wasserman Live (1998). Likewise, the more industrious enthusiast might even wish to locate the Grateful Dead's very occasional live versions of "Heaven Help the Fool" and "Salt Lake City."

-- Allmusic reviews

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Poster: Rocky Seven Date: Nov 14, 2009 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

Rev it up little boy and ride or big ole' rounder in your folding bed again.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/10094098+w750/112_0806_01z+bob_weir_celeb_drive+1963_chevrolet_corvette_stingray.jpg

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 14, 2009 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

The Stingray and the short-shorts definitely do not go together at all.. ugh...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 14, 2009 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

more suited for a piece of crap mid-80's camaro?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWscxdleZzI&;feature=player_embedded

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Poster: Rocky Seven Date: Nov 15, 2009 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

No, Bobby races SCRA events just like Uncle John did.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 14, 2009 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

nice find WT - interesting review

always liked Salt Lake City, but the album as a whole is kinda....ehhhh

maybe i will give it another listen sometime soon - unless the dust bunnies have completely eaten it away ;)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 14, 2009 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

I have to admit, I liked that song too...way out of my current era, though. The funny thing about that album is that though I was a "connected DEAD HEAD", getting newsltrs, even birthday cards from the DEAD thru the 70s, I had no idea this album was coming out...walk into Moe's Used records on Telegraph (was at Cal then), and there it was--HHTF--in the "used record" bin!!! I did like a triple take recognizing Bob's cleaned up mug on the cover, and then bought it for $0.99....seriously. This was January, 78, so it was not "out" for long!

Got home and realized why someone had bought it, and sold it within 72 hrs!!!

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Poster: cush212 Date: Nov 14, 2009 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

??? HHTFool meets TStation...? Tell, you know I love you brother, but... These songs by initials have me often wondering what your talking about! You know I've been around the block a few hundred times, but having been away from the forum, I often cannot figger out what the hell song WDOB or whatever is! Don't hurt your heads on WDOB, I just made it up. If I can't figger it out, it must be even more frustrating for the less experienced here... Or is it just like texting lingo? I wouldn't know how to (or want to) "text" if you hit me up side of my stoopid head with one!!! Not angry, just become a bit of pet peeve, if the PM will allow the former Forum Jester to have one!

Will try and catch ya'll tomorrow

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Nov 14, 2009 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

Terrapin Station and Bob's Heaven Help the Fool were produced by the same dude, Keith Olsen.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 14, 2009 4:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

Well, I guess I coulda said that...but thanks, DP! The old book manager and I go way back, so I wasn't gonna make it easy on him...besides, he used to give me grief over my lack of appreciation for tunes in 78, and thus, he should know this shit.

He's just gettin EVEN older...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Nov 15, 2009 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

Who me??? I was the Music Dude! Right about the older (and feelin' it part though)! I knew the Fool and Terrapin, but there have been some others over time that I hurt my head trying to figurwe out and still can't... Feeble, rusty and crusty. That would be me!

;)

BTW, what's a TDIH anyhow?

This post was modified by cush212 on 2009-11-15 21:13:11

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 14, 2009 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

Well, bro CUSH, I think this is ALL explained by the simple fact that both a song and an album go by the name of HHTF (Heaven Help the Fool, for the acronym impaired). Thus, you were caught twixt heaven and hell, as is to be expected, thinking of this song and this album, simultaneously, which in and of itself, is downright dangerous, IMHO.

But, BTW, I leave you with, FYI, the notion that though you may be LYAOROLF, you should probably get up and just LOL.

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Poster: Reade Date: Nov 15, 2009 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

Remarkable review. Spot on indeed. The four tunes mentioned at the end were clearly the highlights; Weir and Barlow were quite a partnership there for awhile.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 15, 2009 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: HHTFool meets TStation...?

Yep, in spite of my harping on the probs of Bob with his singing over the last 35 yrs, and the issues I have with some of his tunes relative to Hunter/Garcia tunes, the Weir/Barlow duo certainly came up with some winners...